Fox and Cubs dilemma

I returned this afternoon (In rain) to have another look at the Pilosella aurantiaca sp (Fox and Cubs) at North Cove Suffolk, which looks like ssp carpathicola rather than ssp aurantiaca I have sent a voucher to the Botanical Society of British Isles Hieracium referee. I have only found ssp carpathicola in Suffolk but the flowers on the meadow look different, there is a group of Fox and Cubs at Beccles Railway station and on some lawns at Ellough that are definatly carpathicola but when I see them in a wet meadow I am not very sure.

By keying out in Stace (1997) I arrived at the sub species for him to say that both ssp are dubious. Oh well time will tell.